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Horseman Of War · Aug 22, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54

yeah hopefully they will still make new areas, like sorrows furnace- at least once a year, for Tyria...

I almost feel bad for people who dont have factions simply for the fact that a lot of these "weekend events" are for use on Cantha only..\

two examples:

1. double chest dropping weekend - Um, my Hells Precipice keys arent good enough?

2. Hopefully halloween and christmas events will not be limited to a particular campaign!!! More events need to take place in Tyria.. because Im sure there are plenty of people that only have Factions, and will get Nightfall... but wont get GW1 because of certain valid agruements on the forums.

Personally, of course, I have both campaigns and will be preordering Nightfall as soon as the CE becomes available... Im just trying to think of it on the marketing side of things....

||||||||||||Remember they ARE already well underway for chapter 4... its less than a year away!!! Meaning a character youve started recently will still not have its first birthday pet by the time youre ready to ditch Elona for CHP4

AnnaCloud9 · Aug 22, 2006, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Has there ever bee a GW Weapon that had its skin changed? Like...radically?

Actually, yep! The elemental staves were reworked to, in all honesty, be more recognized as such, rather than a water staff looking like an earth staff which looked like a wicked staff, which inturn looked like an inscribed staff

Though the change was admittedly an easy adjustment (extending the length of the respective wand of the element rather than reskinning them), these weapons were identical across professions. I always thought this was goofy, and which I believe they made a 100% improvement on in Factions, since now a particular profession has its own set of items, all distinguishable, with the Jade/Amber sets thrown in for generic uses across all professions.

Well lyra, not a radical change, but a change nonetheless, to some GW weapons

Loviatar · Aug 22, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

yeah hopefully they will still make new areas, like sorrows furnace- at least once a year, for Tyria...

some time ago there was an official notice that aside from bug fixes, seasonal events, or build upgrades thare was no more new content coming for chapter 1.

which makes sense because then the same thing would be expected for each chapter and soon all they would be doing is make additions rather than new chapters

lyra_song · Aug 22, 2006, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by AnnaCloud9

Actually, yep! The elemental staves were reworked to, in all honesty, be more recognized as such, rather than a water staff looking like an earth staff which looked like a wicked staff, which inturn looked like an inscribed staff

Though the change was admittedly an easy adjustment (extending the length of the respective wand of the element rather than reskinning them), these weapons were identical across professions. I always thought this was goofy, and which I believe they made a 100% improvement on in Factions, since now a particular profession has its own set of items, all distinguishable, with the Jade/Amber sets thrown in for generic uses across all professions.

Well lyra, not a radical change, but a change nonetheless, to some GW weapons

IIRC, the new staves replaced the old staves via drops. New versions started dropping, but the old skins didnt instantly change. The old versions stopped dropping. How come my domination staff is still a twig?

The question still is...did Anet promise that? were those twig staves placeholders? or did they just do that as a bonus.

The complaint stems from the idea that it is "unfinished". I dont think its unfinished at all.

AnnaCloud9 · Aug 22, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

yeah hopefully they will still make new areas, like sorrows furnace- at least once a year, for Tyria...

I still believe the reason for Sorrow's Furnace was:

If Guild Wars failed to be so successful, and given their every 6 months release date of new chapters, think of all the money they would have invested six months ahead of time, and potentially would have lost. Now they're on track, are successful, and now we have to pay for the future expansions (chapters). Sorrow's Furnace was essentially the filler for the 6 month gap, a buffer if you will, for Factions. I doubt there will be any new content like this for Tyria, or even Cantha, since Nightfall is on schedule.

This also has alot to do with why Tyria is so much larger than Cantha - if the product you first release doesn't have a large enough sample period for profits and trends, you're highly unlikely to continue investing in the product that you yourself know nothing about.

Ever wonder why Crystal Pepsi disappeared without a trace?

Y.T. · Aug 22, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37

whoever worked on tyrian updates r busy with ch3 - ch4, they cant release 1-2 new chapters every year and constantly update the old chapters...

we got lots of new skins in cantha, and we'll get more in nightfall, why bother to add more skin to tyria?

AnnaCloud9 · Aug 22, 2006, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

The complaint stems from the idea that it is "unfinished". I dont think its unfinished at all.

And here you and I agree 101%

Titan Chrae · Aug 22, 2006, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

Hopefully halloween and christmas events will not be limited to a particular campaign!!! More events need to take place in Tyria.. because Im sure there are plenty of people that only have Factions, and will get Nightfall... but wont get GW1 because of certain valid agruements on the forums.

I think the Halloween and Winterfest events should be limited to Prophesies. It makes since in the lore and they already have all the artwork and logic in place. There is nothing to reprogram...simply recycle last years events.

Likewise, Dragaon Fest should take place every year in Factions.

Nightfall and future chapters should all have chapter specific special events.

Edit to stay on topic: I think different names for the same skin or vice versa is perfectly logical. It happens IRL. I see no reason it shouldn't in the game.

Quantum Duck · Aug 22, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

A huge number of games reuse weapon skins. The fact that the new chapters don't is a new design decision, which does not make the first game "unfinished" because it didn't work that way. There are lots of weapon skins in Prophecies. It just so happens that several of them have multiple names depending on where you pick them up. When they added new skins dropping in Prophecies fairly recently, they made them new weapons as well instead of just reskinning existing weapons. I'm not seeing the problem here.

gabrial heart · Aug 22, 2006, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Interesting, most people think chapter one is a far better game then chapter two. I have both and have no complaints about chapter one being over and done with. I also doubt that a-net will leave chapter one exactly as it is till the end of time concidering the very close ties it has to chapter 3.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Aug 22, 2006, 09:11 PM // 21:11

not even taking the time to read the thread its just another complaint about "OMG Cantha gets everything!! WAAAAA I WANT IT!" If ya want the new weapons help anet keep GW Servers up and buy Factions.. They have to improve their new chapters.. When Nightfall hits shelves you can bet yer arse that Cantha is gonna be left in the dust and there are gonna be complaints about that.

zidane888 · Aug 22, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

Here's a hypothetical question: If the extra sets of the double named weapons were removed entirely, would this make the game anymore complete? Would you sleep better at night knowing there weren't any duplicates?

I don't believe anyone is arguing that they wouldn't like to see more updates for Prophecies. Au contraire, if Anet had the resources to update, Prophecies, Factions and soon to be Nightfall, I think the community as a whole would rejoice, but for reasons explained in this thread it is a monumental task. Doesn't mean it won't happen though.

Furthermore, your argument can be used in many different ways. For instance, I always felt like not being able to uncover 100% of the map in Prophecies felt incomplete. Does this make the game not finished?
Armors still have clippings and bugs here and there. Do they need to put Nightfall on hold until armors are bug free? Only cut scenes use voice acting, does the whole of Tyria need voice over updates? I can go on and on...

sinican · Aug 22, 2006, 10:43 PM // 22:43

seriousely...

prophacies is a finished game... if you were paying per month to play then yea you coule expect more content for old areas... but just like any damn game out there diablo to diablo 2, bulders gate etc... man they dont go back and add new stuff to old games...

Prophacies is an old game if you want the new content you have to pay for it DUH!...aka go buy factions or nightfall when it is released... everyone except you few can understand this... you cant expect to pay $50 for a game and get new content a year plus after u paid a single fee... they chose not to charge monthly fees and just untroduce expansions/new content as ad-on flat rate games...

its a great stategy it allow people who do not wish to maintain a monthly sub yet allows them to play unlimitedly without presure of pay per month play for the game they bought in the first place....

i can NOT believe people are actuialy bitching because they aren't getting more than what they paid for... you should be extremely happy you got everything you did pay for because a hell of a lot of companies fail to do even that... aka WoW and UO etc... these games promised certain things with there initial releases and did not actually give them... and Ultima Online even had the nerve to charge for a new expansion that included content that was promissed in previous expansions that people already paid to get and never got it... hence why im not playing UO anymore after 7 years....

grow up and grasp reality... i mean that in the nicest way possible

DarkSpirit · Aug 22, 2006, 10:56 PM // 22:56

If you want new content and new skin for Chapter 1, you can have it but for a price.

It is called Factions, you just need to buy that box.

Otherwise, would all of you who agree with the OP be prepared to pay an online fee for the new skins, that is so....important to you, that you absolutely must have them otherwise the game is broken?

guildwarsnerd · Aug 22, 2006, 11:08 PM // 23:08

It's all about budgeting money.

Prophecies is now an 'older' game, meaning that ANet isn't making much money off of it. And so that means that they won't make any money by enhancing it or adding events to it. If they included Prophecies in the festivals/events/new skins, they would lose time and money. Granted, it may not be much, but still.

When Anet does an event, it encourages potential customers to buy the game because Anet seems like a really good company. And they are a good company. But new customers will buy the newest version of the game, because it's, well, newer.

So it really doesn't make sense from a business point-of-view to spend money on something that won't make money. Make the arguements you want, but Anet isn't stupid. They know what makes money and what doesn't, and apparently, Prophecies doesn't make money.

Another reason for the exclusive events is to entice those of you with only prophecies to also buy Factions. And my thought on this is that if you play Prophecies and enjoy it, you should also buy Factions, as the money from Factions is supporting the servers for Prophecies.

So should Anet lose some money and time (time spent on updating Factions and Nightfall) to please the minority of players with only Prophecies? Or should you go out and spend $50 to support Anet continuing their events/festivals/games?

~Guildwarsnerd

generik · Aug 22, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

So you guys think its okay that ANET simply forgets about the game as long as there are new chapters?

You are looking for WoW, what incentive does Anet have to keep refreshing content for you with no subscription fee? Right.. none.

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

I dont understand your rationale. What if Cantha was jipped like Tyria and then nightfall comes out? It's all okay and there's a clean slate?..

No, it will come around to bite them in the ass later with a huge influx of Prophecies/Factions accounts on eBay and *decreased Nightfall sales*

Players aren't idiots, if they are getting fleeced why would they continue to support Anet - they won't.

DarkSpirit · Aug 22, 2006, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by generik

No, it will come around to bite them in the ass later with a huge influx of Prophecies/Factions accounts on eBay and *decreased Nightfall sales*

Players aren't idiots, if they are getting fleeced why would they continue to support Anet - they won't.

Personally I think they should have gone for the online fees option, but ANet has a unique business model which they think would work. Oh well, as more Chapters start rolling out we would see if their business model actually works or not.

No online fees, but surviving by selling new chapters would cause certain players to complain if they only want to pay for 1 Chapter but expect new content continuously. For these players, WoW business model may work better.

generik · Aug 22, 2006, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

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Guild Wars isn't an "older RPG" - it should be a "new" RPG - and better than the "older" ones.

Alright, you have convinced me that you are just being flamebait. An old game costs $50 in 1995, a new game costs $50 in 2006, tell me again, why would Anet need to make the game more "complete" in 2006 then in 1995?

generik · Aug 22, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by Alias_X

Anet has to worry about completely new games every 6 months, do you realize how much of a burden that is?

Assuming even a modest 1 million copies sold that is 100 million a year, boo hoo, such a burden! Oh, may the Gods curse the day this Arena.net was incorporated! It is such an unbearable burden! I am sure the devs and CEO are wanting to end their lives right now.

I don't fully agree with Yun but your point is even more outrageous. If anything they brought it upon themselves with their own greed and marketing model, they can very well make a update every 9 months for all I care.

Poison Ivy · Aug 22, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37

GW wants us to buy Factions, allowing Prophecies to have speacial events is only going to encourage Prophecies only owners not to buy Factions...which is not what Anet wants..